heruca wrote:Unfortunately, I've been asked by SJ Games not to distribute it. Sorry.
BRPG could have been the best way to play Car Wars online, but I'm afraid that particular dream has been squashed, and Vassal may be your best bet.
Ok, I registered just to reply to this. This has gone on long enough SJ!!!!!
Your own faq states:
"If you mean a "game aid" or "player aid" program, yes, you certainly can. Our online policy makes it possible for fans to create this kind of program, as long as trademark and copyright restrictions are honored. Several such gamer-created utility programs are already available on our website."
This certainly qualifies as a game aid. We still have to buy the rules from E23 or other sources!
*Flame and Rant On*
I happened to be looking for more Car Wars news via Google and found this link (like I do every couple of years...*sign*). Looked so promising.
Once again, those bozos at SJ Games are stopping any interest in their own game. Do they not realize you need the game and rules to use Battlegrounds???? They are not trying to steal your Intellectual Property, they are providing ways to play with your game in a modern format!
Renewed Interest = New Fans = New Sales!
I've been a car wars fan since the beginning (yes I'm that old), bought all the original bag versions back in the early 80's and been waiting for a computer recreation for the past 28 years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Each time some developer has gotten close, SJ has either asked them to cease or forced them to stop. However, SJ has NEVER come out with their own game or licensed anyone to make one.
Now understand this keeps happening every couple of years. A developer gets interest in reviving his love of the game and eventually SJ finds out and quashes it. Who no one has simply released something anonymously is beyond me.
Yes there have been "attempts" such as AutoDuel (Great game, just needed a little more development and port to a modern platform), Interstate series, etc but none was a proper conversion of the original game.
Back in 2006 in an interview, they quote "Steve Jackson continues to express an interest in developing video games based on the Car Wars concept.". This has been their line since about the mid-eighties! Ok, it's 2009 now guys!
They've got to realize this is a cult classic game and has a huge following. However they keep getting the target wrong. We didn't want/need a 5th Edition Rule set, we were quite happy with the original and expansions. Maybe go the way of WarHammer and make resin vehicles etc, lots of options SJ but this thread is about computer conversions so back on topic...
What we wanted was to still be able to buy the original game and a proper computer conversion, just like Risk, Axis & Allies and many others have done. I understand SJ is stuck in the 70/80's and doesn't like computers but jeez guys, your fans do!
Don't mess with the mechanics, just recreate the ORIGINAL game. Maybe provide options to turn on "variants" but don't prevent the original fans from playing what they love. The Settlers for the iPhone got this wrong and they are going to suffer for this (made it an RTS instead of the mechanics of Settlers 1 and 2 which has all the fan support). However they might actually fix this in a future version (we the fans are hoping!).
There are two games from my childhood that have never made the conversion properly, they are Car Wars and Battletech. Neither company has simply made a computer version of the board game, they always have to mess with it (Mechforce from Ralph Reed on the Amiga got it almost perfect and was apparently going to be licensed and released as an official product but something died there as well).
I was hoping that SJ would see how much ground swell the iPhone is developing and release or license a FAITHFUL port of the original Car Wars to it. Hint hint hint SJ games! (but they'll likely mess with the formula, try to add RPG or only port the Car Wars Card Game etc). I expect they'll release a utility or something but we don't need that...fans want a game!
I'd write a letter to SJ Games but there just is no use. After 28 years, you'd think they'd catch on but alas no.
Here is another quote from their faq:
"For a while, we were actively looking for partners to create digital versions of our games. This sucked up a lot of time, especially Steve's time, and got us just exactly nowhere. Now we're spending our time on what we know best “ boardgames and card games “ with a bit of in-house iPhone work to scratch the digital itch. Someday an experienced publisher will come up to us, holding lots of money out at the end of a long stick, and we'll talk with them."
You can read what you want into that...
In this day and age it's very easy to release something anonymously through torrent sites or other means and I'd suggest any other authors that want to do Car Wars for BG or other methods simply do it. But god forbid if they can trace it back to you. SJ seems to have unlimited time and funds to chase down people that create things they don't like but they have no time or money to do it themselves or support a developer that wants to make one.
Using torrent or other methods, SJ games can't hound you and we get to enjoy the game we love using the rules and books we've already purchased (and will keep purchasing form E23). Just don't be a twit and ask for paypal or other donations, then you're crossing the line and SJ has every right to pursue. If you want to "make a living" out of a Car Wars conversion, go work for SJ games.
Maybe SJ should "sell" the artwork addons for BattleGrounds on their website, there's an amazing idea SJ, have you thought of that? Sheesh.
Sorry SJ, I'm sure you have reasons (yes I've read your FAQ) and have been burned many times in the past but as I stated, it's been 28 years of waiting and I'm going to be dead and buried before this gets done.
I suspect we're going to be reading posts like the above and replies like mine for the next 20 years and beyond.
Severely annoyed yet again